Season 3: Episode 2: Part 2- The Fall of Man

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to Gracefully Unfiltered, where we talk real life, real faith, and real women. Honest conversations, biblical truth with zero filter. Let's get unfiltered, Gracefully. Welcome back to Gracefully Unfiltered. After chapter three, we're officially separated, you know, and broken because that sin has entered the world, and you know, God told them they were banned from the garden and they were gonna have to do all the things. He was gonna have to work the land, she was gonna have to bear children, serpent was gonna slither on his belly. Yes. So definitely consequences to our actions and something to note. But I always saw because he said, if you eat of the tree, you will surely die. And I know some people look at that as a spiritual, a spiritual representation, but I always looked at it as God showing like the first signs of mercy and grace because they didn't die. Instead, he chose a different consequence for their actions.

SPEAKER_02 1:01

Well, they weren't. We would have lived forever. So when they did that, then yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

Eventually they did die. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:11

Yeah, there's no longer that's how I yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:14

And some people think it represents like a spiritual death.

SPEAKER_02 1:19

I never thought about it that way.

SPEAKER_03 1:20

I mean, I guess I have any other I just always thought by the Shirley would die. I never thought about it as an immediate death either. I just thought that there would be a time now that you all die. Yeah. You are not going to live forever like me. Like God. You're not going to be like me anymore. Yeah. You had the opportunity in a lot of ways to be like God without the sinning, of course. But you couldn't be perfect like God, but you had the opportunity to be a lot like God until the devil came and you chose. I don't even know what I'm saying. No, you're right at heart. You're not rambling, I promise.

SPEAKER_02 1:59

It means I feel like I'm rambling. I always struggled with I always thought it was strange that not that the angels can't have their own. I mean, when you think of angel God's angels, you think they're perfect, you know, they're perfect. They wouldn't do anything wrong. Because they're dead. Yeah. Do you know what I'm saying? And he was from what I read and studied, he was like one of the most beautiful and wisest angel. And you're like, why I just I why just him?

SPEAKER_00 2:40

Right.

SPEAKER_02 2:40

Why didn't other like, why wouldn't there others that you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 2:45

Yeah. Well, and I think we're gonna have to really I think we'll have to dig into that one. I don't know that I have like a segment technically spread out, but I think we should do a study on that because he was the only one that yeah, it is an interesting thing.

SPEAKER_02 2:59

He was the only one that consider and then you might have those feelings, right? Yes. And I when I think of something like God's angels, I think of they don't do anything wrong. They do what God tells, you know.

SPEAKER_00 3:13

Yeah. No, I mean when you think of when you think of an angel, yes, that is that is what you would think. So you're right on that.

SPEAKER_02 3:21

So it's like, why him? Why did he do that?

SPEAKER_00 3:24

Why did he I think we really should do a study on that and like kind of hone in on just that aspect. It is, it is, and I'd like to learn it personally. But the important thing right now is that the moment that created the entire problem is what the rest of the Bible is actually addressing. So then the question kind of became how did how do we get back to God? Because we've created that separation through the fall. So how do we get back to him, even though we will never be where we were, right? And I know that's like we've run into trust issues all the time, even today. You'll never have the same relationship with a certain person if you wrong them. But that's a human nature aspect, you know? But I think that's comparable to what's happened here. But I think that's also where we start to see the promise of redemption, and that's what did you ever find those notes?

SPEAKER_03 4:21

I did, I have them right here.

SPEAKER_00 4:23

Awesome. So I'm gonna let Kelly take the reins on the promise of redemption since you've got all the notes.

SPEAKER_03 4:31

You shouldn't have had your notes. Josh, we're just gonna use your sermon here. Going back to Ephesians 1, 9 through 11. Um, and it says, He made known to us the mystery of his will according to his kind intention, which he purposed in him, with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times. That is the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on earth. In him also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to his purpose, he works all things after the counsel of his will. And I think where that all went back to was in the whole redemption plan that God had from the beginning, it was planned. There was a payment and there was a purpose. So all of those things were there, were in place from the very beginning. God knew that man would eventually fall. He didn't want us to, but we had the free will, he gave us free will, and um, so he had to have a plan from the beginning. Jesus was with him from the beginning. There was a plan there on how to save us if and when the fall happened. Because if it didn't happen with Adam and Eve, it would have eventually happened with somebody.

SPEAKER_00 5:56

Right.

SPEAKER_03 5:57

Right, it would have eventually happened. No, that's right. And there had to be a way to redeem those that fell. That fell, who actually had good hearts that had good intentions, but still made a poor choice once or made a mistake.

SPEAKER_00 6:20

Yeah. Well, and that's just Adam and Eve perspective. So if we we can now take it to even like Abraham, if we jump to Genesis chapter 12, what do you guys think about the promise to Abraham?

SPEAKER_01 6:38

About the um his offspring.

SPEAKER_03 6:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:43

Father Abraham had many sons. And he did.

SPEAKER_00 6:47

He said Genesis what 12? Just chapter 12. Like he calls Abraham, makes a promise that basically all the families are going to be blessed through him. You know. So I think that that promise is obviously bigger than just Abraham because it's pointing forward, it's pointing to a bigger future, talking about redemption, moving onward, finding redemption through a promise. But I think it's also pointing to that future moment when God's gonna actually bring a blessing, not just to one specific nation, but to a group of people.

SPEAKER_04 7:26

Is you know, Abraham probably told his kids and grandkids like, oh, this is gonna happen one day. And it they think like, oh, this is this, this might be that thing, but in actuality, it's something that's happened several years. Thousands of years, yeah. A couple thousand years later, we're sitting here seeing, and so that's almost one of those things like, oh, this is it. Oh wait, no, it's no, it's not.

SPEAKER_00 7:52

Yeah, that's all these people today. They're like, it's the end times. Abraham's kids were like, Is it us? Is it gonna happen? Great, great, great grandkids are like, is it our time? Well, it's like all the rapture's gonna happen, and then oh wait, nope.

SPEAKER_04 8:06

Oh, you're still here. Year 2000 came and nobody died, and nobody died.

SPEAKER_00 8:13

It was my thing. But basically, after this blessing, though, the old testament is building towards something, it's not just a bunch of random stories, it's the preparation and it's showing us that redemption through Christ.

SPEAKER_04 8:29

That's a giant web.

SPEAKER_00 8:31

It is a giant web.

SPEAKER_04 8:32

But we're also lucky enough to be able to read the whole thing and be like, oh, back in such and such chapter, that's what this meant. You know, they didn't know that.

SPEAKER_00 8:43

No, uh-uh. Which is yeah, no, it's crazy to think about. So, like after our promise with Abraham and after the fall of man and all the things, we finally get our build-up to all this stuff that's prepping, and then what becomes the center of our story? We start in with the New Testament, and it's Christ, you know. So it now we're looking more in the Gospels because now we can reference Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John because they all intermingle and they're all told the same time, but not at the same time, and different perspectives, and all the things, and that's a really fun way to get into the gospels. But I think it's important for most people to realize that Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are all the same story, but from different perspectives.

SPEAKER_02 9:27

Yes, like oh my god, they're all the same.

SPEAKER_00 9:30

It is, it's the same story, different perspectives. So, of course, you're gonna see differences in the wording, you're gonna see differences in what some people noticed versus what other people noticed. That's a normal thing to have when you have an eyewitness story or a parallel.

SPEAKER_03 9:44

And that's one good thing about the chronological Bible is those each story, each person's perspective is right there together. So you're reading each story. Like you will read Matthew's account and then Mark's or whatever, and then you're like, oh, okay. So this whole thing, they're all there. This all happened together. You're not reading everything that Matthew wrote, and then I mean everything that Mark.

SPEAKER_02 10:16

This already happened when he was crucified, now we're going back to talking about, you know, yeah, and it does get confusing.

SPEAKER_00 10:23

Yes. So imagine like trying to pick up the Bible as a non-Christian, though, and we're like, just start in the New Testament the first time ever. And then you're like, I read the same thing four times.

SPEAKER_04 10:33

Right. Well, and not only that, because I just because like it when you the first five verses of John are actually one of the only ones of the gospel that actually goes back to the old testament. In the beginning, what it was, you know, Matthew is the whole genealogy, and if someone's never opened the Bible, and you start there, you're like, what in the world are you? That's awful.

SPEAKER_00 10:58

We talked about that in our our little Bible study for the teens, and they were like, we just don't know what to do when we pick up our Bible. And I was like, I get it. When I was in high school and I picked it up, it was like someone begot someone and someone begot someone, and you're like, who wants to remember?

SPEAKER_04 11:16

I think this is the entire book.

SPEAKER_03 11:18

Yeah, I have a different appreciation as I get older for ancestry and genealogy and all these things. So reading it now is like we were talking about at first, whenever you're like, oh, how does this all tie back? It gets so exciting to see like the tiebacks, the tiebacks. Yes. Well, reading that genealogy now is like, oh my goodness, Rahab? Yes. A prostitute, a whore of sorts? Yeah. I'm Rahab. We're not gonna get in that whole conversation again, but because Kelly might just only got anyway, you know, but you're right, Jesus came from the mind.

unknown 12:00

Oh, sorry.

SPEAKER_03 12:00

There's this that God used this scandalous, promiscuous woman to to save people. But see, now we get to see that. Yeah, they didn't.

SPEAKER_04 12:14

She didn't know that years on down.

SPEAKER_03 12:17

But that's where the redemption story starts, even way back then.

SPEAKER_04 12:21

I think it'd be fun to find a map that actually has the verses that this person was mentioned in. Because you know, there's probably some names we don't even realize was mentioned before, maybe only mentioned once in passing, and you're like, okay, that's not an important name.

SPEAKER_03 12:37

But then you might come reading the genealogy and be like, that's one that was mentioned.

SPEAKER_00 12:42

I do think it's interesting too that Jesus himself talked about how he was the one that they talked about throughout the entire Old Testament. Yes. Like he can literally point out, I mean, not by saying in Genesis 3, but that was I'm the fulfillment of Genesis chapter 3, essentially, because he is. And he said it himself, though, that everything had pointed to him that entire time. Crazy.

SPEAKER_03 13:08

I mean, I wonder if he's telling God, hey, that tree looks good. Can we make it a different shade? You know, when he's like making that.

SPEAKER_02 13:15

I always want to know how Adam came up with all the names. Like, I think that's gonna be a tiger.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

Where did his vocabulary come from? I think that's gonna be a lion.

unknown 13:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:24

All the questions. That's gonna be a rod. And that's gonna be dirt. It's weird.

SPEAKER_04 13:30

I mean, if you also want to know more of the lion decide that he's gonna eat another. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:36

Well, when you think about the arc and you're like, what stopped a lion from craving that antelope?

SPEAKER_03 13:41

Like, yeah, they didn't, but then we didn't go see the ark and how everything stuff. And how we didn't like how God didn't tell us to make crates for everything in the books. Like, huh? Because some of the stuff we can say crazy, and we have to, you know. I don't think that's part of sin. I think the breathing has been insects, mosquitoes, mosquitoes. I sat on the big red wasp I sat on a few weeks ago. I think that has to do with sin.

SPEAKER_04 14:14

You have to have something good to you have to have something bad to know something.

SPEAKER_03 14:19

Yes. That's how else would he create some of these things?

SPEAKER_01 14:25

Yeah, I don't know. He was just playing, man. He was a month.

SPEAKER_02 14:30

He was like, What can I create? I'm gonna do it.

SPEAKER_03 14:34

He was like the mosquitoes, it's good. Like, I really like that, you know. I mean, and then they all serve a purpose to feed another thing, but and you know, and the wasman things they can pollinate and they do all these great things, but they also sting the fire out of you and can kill some people. Yeah, why?

SPEAKER_02 14:51

I mean why why do we need that? Why do we need the poisonous bugs? Oh, we don't. Well, snakes are the devil, though.

SPEAKER_00 14:59

Like snakes weren't snakes until the devil became the devil, right?

SPEAKER_03 15:02

Right, till Lucifer became a whole list of questions.

SPEAKER_00 15:06

Whole list.

SPEAKER_03 15:07

But isn't that crazy though? That we're gonna know everybody. You're gonna recognize, but then you're gonna be able to do that. Because there can be no sadness, you're not gonna realize that's the people you loved are not gonna be there. But it's so scary too. It it's sad to us now of anxiety. Yeah, it's the unknown, like yes, the fear of the unknown. Yeah, it's like he tells you what it's gonna be, but we can't fathom that. Our brains cannot comprehend.

SPEAKER_01 15:32

We're just girls, yeah. We're just girls. Go ahead. I'm just a girl. Shouldn't we all be there with you? For real. Don't you love all of us?

SPEAKER_03 15:45

He does love us all. He does, he wants us to choose to love him, right? Like he chose to love us.

SPEAKER_00 15:49

Constant choice to love him, and it shouldn't be a hard one to just make it difficult. But all this to say, the gospels are actually a really good story. Like you guys should read them. Jesus getting lost, all the things, you know, ever like stuff happened. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_03 16:04

Doesn't it? I mean, Jesus was a kid, as you said, and real life stuff happened.

SPEAKER_00 16:10

But once he did, I mean, once he even stated that the entire Old Testament was pointing to him, he meant he's the fulfillment. Like he's literally the solution to the problem that was introduced back in Genesis. And that's kind of the point of where we're at because Jesus lived a perfect life, died on the cross, rose again. You know, we got 1 Corinthians chapter 15, where it sums it up that Christ died for our sins, was buried, and then he was raised on the third day. Literally the gospel and the turning point of history. Mike draw. But the story doesn't stop there. It doesn't stop there because after Jesus died and he was resurrected, we now see the beginning of what we try to follow as the church. This is where it gets really important for us today because it gives us all of the needs and the guidelines of how the church was established. What Paul would come in and explain this needs to be done and this is how it needs to be done, following everything that Christ needed for the church to be fulfilled.

SPEAKER_04 17:20

Yeah. It's like, hey, by the way, to uh get to heaven, this is what you need to do. Also forget everything almost in the sense of what happened in the Old Testament, because that's the Old Testament. This is what you need to do now.

SPEAKER_03 17:32

Right. The Old Testament leads us to everything we need to do. But well, okay, like right here. We're in what? Matthew chapter 1, verse 20. It says, But when he had considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife. For the child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he shall save the people from their sins. So, like God had that all plan. That goes back to what the whole redemption thing is a plan, a purpose, a payment. You know?

SPEAKER_00 18:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:09

There is a ransom paid for that. And it was Jesus. And God had him purpose and set aside from the very very beginning of time to do that.

SPEAKER_00 18:18

So crazy. Before. But I think that's a good stopping point for tonight. Thank you for listening to Gracefully Unfiltered.

SPEAKER_01 18:33

Bye guys. Sorry.