Season three: episode two: part one: the fall of man

Join us as we start on our path about redemption, and the fall of man.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to Gracefully Unfiltered, where we talk real life, real faith, and real women. Honest conversations, biblical truth with zero filter. Let's get unfiltered, Gracefully Unfiltered. Welcome back to Gracefully Unfiltered. We are in season three, episode two, and today we're going to talk about the actual big story of the Bible. I think that's something that a lot of people really don't talk about enough. It's that the Bible is actually one big story. It's not random, it's not disconnected. It definitely intertwines, cross-references, all the things. Right.

SPEAKER_02 0:36

Like we hear the stories of Noah, David, Moses. We think they're all these little individual stories, but they're not. They all connect and they all bring us to Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 0:48

Connected. From your round two.

SPEAKER_03 0:52

It's all connected. And true. We just need to make that a button and you can just push it.

SPEAKER_00 0:58

But yeah, no, I I think it's cool how much cross-reference, like those uh posters that we see in like Josh's office, where it says all the times that everything is cross-referenced in the Bible and it's got like the what is that the book we saw?

SPEAKER_03 1:12

It's awesome. The poster we saw at Mardell's where it was like this giant wall, and it's all like you can see everything's going back and forth, and it's that's what's in Josh's office.

SPEAKER_00 1:21

Is it really? Yeah, but he has like the mini version of it. Like it's the whole thing, but it's a small picture. It's cool. Cool. Like you guys need to check it out.

unknown 1:29

I'll have to do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:32

But yeah, I think that's probably why people struggle to read the Bible, is because they just really don't realize that it all ties together. So they start reading it as if it's supposed to be like a story that just goes on and on, but there's too much cross-reference. It gets confusing if you do it that way.

SPEAKER_02 1:49

And I'm still amazed every single time that somebody's like, Well, you can trace this back to this in the Old Testament when we're reading something about Jesus or the New Testament or something. No matter how many times I read it, I'm still always like, Oh, that's so cool. Yeah, how did that happen? Well, God's not happening, of course.

SPEAKER_00 2:06

But you know, well, it's just like you were talking about the lineage the other day of how we're all connected from one person and all dating back to so I've been like I've been like studying the genealogy and the lineage of like from Adam to Eve, but then it stops because of Noah, right? But then like Noah's family, so basically we all came from Seth, right? Which is like where it really took off. Um but with the oh what was it? What was I even telling you? It was about Jacob, like we had Jacob and Esau, and then how Jacob betrays not Jacob. Ugh, don't, I can't do this right now. Um my brain's not ready for this. Not that one. No, because that's not yeah, it is that. It's okay, Jacob and Esau. Like, Jacob betrays Esau, and then Jacob betrays his father, and then Jacob leaves, he runs out, and then he gets betrayed by his uncle, marries Leah, gets betrayed again, marries Rachel, and then he comes back through and he's finally making amends with Esau, and then God's like, Alright, you're Israel.

unknown 3:16

Right.

SPEAKER_00 3:17

So it's like this giant, huge lineage story that leads to one of the biggest lineage genealogically but it's happened over many books.

SPEAKER_03 3:29

It's yes, it went back to this story.

SPEAKER_00 3:31

Yes, and they all cross-references back to the New Testament because the lineage goes to Christ. Right.

unknown 3:38

Sorry.

SPEAKER_02 3:38

That's pretty cool though.

SPEAKER_00 3:40

I just like that they point out how in Genesis how Jacob becomes Israel, and it makes you realize that Israel is not there is a land of Israel, and that was one of the prophecies was fulfillment of the land. But Israel was genuinely named from a person and it was a nation. So it's a nation of people, not necessarily the bordered place that we think of today. So everybody's like, oh, we have to be on Israel's side, we have to protect Israel. Well, like, that's not technically what the biblical Israel is. It's not the same Israel at all. People don't realize that until you read it, and then you're like, oh, so a person became Israel, and they were blessed through the lineage of Jacob becoming Israel, you know. Right. But if you don't study history, you don't study the Bible, you're not gonna understand that aspect, and you're gonna get caught up in what most contemporary churches today are just like, oh, it's it's Israel, just the bordered nation of Israel. It just has to be mapped out, yeah, and it's not, and I think that's what's kind of cool about when you actually start digging in and studying is you having that realization of things aren't what they seem, you know. It's one of the mysteries of God.

SPEAKER_03 5:00

I need it like mapped out. I need a giant board where I can just sit there and take the stream and follow along, yes.

SPEAKER_00 5:06

That would be kind of fun to do. So, okay, let's kind of break it down though. Like if we had to explain the Bible in a really simple way, what would you say that it's actually about? Just the Bible in general. History?

SPEAKER_01 5:22

Where we came from.

SPEAKER_03 5:23

I mean, if you say history, but it's also, I think, past, present, and future.

SPEAKER_00 5:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:29

Because it's a history, but it's how you're supposed to live presently. But it's also telling you what's gonna happen in the future if you based on the choices you make.

SPEAKER_00 5:39

Yeah. Well how all of the Old Testament eventually points to redemption through Christ and through God giving us his son. So everything kind of points to redemption. So let's kind of walk through, let's kind of walk through that step by step, because I think there's a lot of people that don't understand even what redemption is or where it came from or where it connects to throughout the Bible. So let's start, let's start at the beginning. So we have creation. So it was in my other book. If you think about creation, what do you think stands out to you about Genesis like chapters one through two?

SPEAKER_02 6:15

Just that God just said let it be and it was done. You know, like to me, that's one of the I just can't imagine that.

SPEAKER_01 6:23

Like, I can't imagine it being total darkness.

SPEAKER_02 6:26

Me either. Oh no. I can't imagine God just being out there. Yeah. You know, like I don't believe in a big bang. You know, something happened. You know, some people there was nothing. But there was nothing. Yeah, the earth was formed.

SPEAKER_03 6:40

Everything was I mean, who's to say that he didn't do the bang in a sense? Like no, but like if you think about it. Genesis. Nothing you're talking about.

SPEAKER_00 6:51

No, like he was like saying he didn't create the bang. Yeah, like who said that he wasn't the one that just said But what you're saying is the bang is not leaning up to biblical standards of what scientists are saying the bang was.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

He was just up there chilling. I mean I did.

SPEAKER_00 7:08

But you know, he just said No, I always get tripped up with the when he separated the sky from the earth. And I'm like, if it was all together though, it was like water just like floating around. Well, not even like it was all water, I guess, because it like there had to be a separation. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:29

So like she's thinking about what the like when you watch the water.

SPEAKER_00 7:32

We don't know if gravity was even like crazy. It's just crazy to think about.

SPEAKER_03 7:36

I know I kind of like it. I just also think about like when the astronauts show a picture of a blob of water just floating around. That's right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:43

You're like, that is what it was. It was a tree, just a random wave floating through them. But who knows beyond our comprehension. It is, it is, and we're not supposed to have to understand that aspect. And I think a lot of people get caught up in that too. They look at it literally, and it's like you do take it literally, but also when it the Bible doesn't say this is what it was, maybe don't create something out of nothing. If there's nothing there, don't continuously just add to it. And that the Bible talks about not doing that anyways, you know. But the biggest thing that Genesis 1 through 2 thinks like says to me is that there was no sin. We were a sinless, there was no thing was perfect, it was good. Yes, it was very good. He was pleased, yes.

SPEAKER_03 8:31

I think it's also that it was okay that he took a break.

SPEAKER_00 8:36

Oh, yeah. He had to rest. Yeah, if God has to rest, like he lives up for us. Like we're made with his image, and then on top of that, we're in like we're not perfect people, right?

SPEAKER_03 8:47

He needed a full day to rest. This guy need a whole day prepared.

SPEAKER_00 8:56

So it's okay for you to take an hour to nap. We looked at, like with Genesis one through two, everything that we just talked about, that's pretty much summarizing it. And then we get to Genesis chapter three, and that's where sin enters the world with the fall of man. So, why is that moment so important? Let's kind of discuss what that would mean for people who may not understand what the fall represented.

SPEAKER_03 9:23

I think it kind of goes back to what I've talked about with like in the book I read involving spiritual warfare. You had something good, and for us to know that it was good, there had to be something bad.

SPEAKER_00 9:37

No, you're right though, because if you don't have something bad happen, you can't appreciate the good, but I think that's man's fault. Like, I think that is an imperfect human nature aspect, not a God needing to prove a point aspect.

SPEAKER_03 9:51

No, but was it so much of God trying to prove a point of they were tempted and therefore it wasn't necessarily I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 10:04

You think it was them striving for more, maybe.

SPEAKER_03 10:06

Yes, like and not so much and they were.

SPEAKER_02 10:08

I mean she wanted the knowledge. Yes, yes, but the fall of man also came from a fallen angel. You know, you gotta think it started way before before humans even came. You know, there was a being out there that was trying to compete with God that was trying to test him, question him, all these things, who was evicted from heaven. Yeah, and he came.

SPEAKER_03 10:34

I mean, if he if he didn't anticipate that happening, he wouldn't have put the tree there.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

Exactly. Where is that mostly referenced, though? Because it's not Genesis talking about the devil being with Christ, like as an angel, right? Before he became the devil, is that revelation? I think so. I don't remember. That's a really bad thing for me not to know. But what you're saying, a lot of people probably don't know that even is that I mean he was Lucifer, that was Lucifer was an angel, but he wanted to be more than just an angel of Christ, he wanted to be like Christ, and therefore he became the fallen angel, which is what Kelly's referencing. And then with that, he created the fall of man because he brought in temptation to the world. And what we mean by that is with the Garden of Eden, there was a tree that was not supposed to be touched, and it was the only thing in the entire place that was off limits, and the snake came in. Serpent, serpent came in, because it's not a snake, technically, serpent came in.

SPEAKER_03 11:43

It's another one of those plain old words of was it a fish or a whatever?

SPEAKER_00 11:46

Well, no, he didn't become slithering on his belly till after he got scolded. So they really don't know like what it was, but it was it's creepy to think about because you know it couldn't have been, it wasn't man. That's weird because there was only two humans, but it was an angel.

SPEAKER_02 12:06

So an angel probably had a human-like figure in some sense.

SPEAKER_00 12:13

Maybe I'm sure it walked on two feet. I don't I think it references that, right?

SPEAKER_01 12:19

I thought it like just it stood upright. Slithered upright, like I don't know. Yeah, but it says he walked. Like I think of yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:29

So maybe yeah, I'm I'm adding two feet, which I shouldn't do. But regardless, this this being came to Eve and told her that she could be knowledgeable like Christ and convinced her that there was something that she was lacking, and she gave in and took from the tree, and then on top of that, convinced Adam to also take from the tree. But both of them had free will and had a choice to make, and both of them made the wrong decision, and that's why they call it and reference it as the fall of man. Correct.

SPEAKER_02 13:07

That was a good summer.

SPEAKER_00 13:08

Yeah, does anybody want to like yeah, add to that if I'm missing something? I just want to make sure that if anybody is listening that doesn't understand what that represents, I wanted them to be kind of clear on but I think that's a good stopping point for tonight. Thank you for listening to Gracefully Unfiltered. Bye guys. Sorry, bye.